there is no magic to DROP, the bulk of the DROP benefit is simply your own pension being returned to you after the 5 years.
For those of you that were interested in entering the DROP, you might not want to give up so quickly because of the decrease in interest rates. The rate reduction from 6.5% to 1.3% initiated by the Florida Legislature as of July 1 does not necessarily make the Deferred Retirement Option Program obsolete. Certainly, it lowers the earnings, but, the biggest part of the DROP sum is not interest, but simply your pension payments accruing each month in the DROP account. There seems to be some misunderstanding about these numbers. It appears that those of you choosing to enter the DROP on or after July 1 will earn the lower 1.3% interest rate on your pension payments. If you are already in the DROP, and once you begin the DROP, you will NOT have to make the 3% employee contributions!
Your DROP amount will not decrease by 70%, only the interest earned will. As we discussed on our web page FRSOptions.info , there is no magic to DROP, the bulk of the DROP benefit is simply your own pension being returned to you after the 5 years.
When you enter the DROP, you technically retire and begin to receive your pension. Since you are going to continue to work, instead of the pension checks coming to you each month, those checks are deposited in your “DROP account”, and interest is then added to it. The monthly amount going into your DROP is determined by the same calculation as your pension, which is: Years of service, multiplied by service credit (3% for special risk, or 1.6% for regular members. The result is then multiplied by your Average Final Compensation, which is the 5 years of your highest earnings. For example, you have worked 30 years, and average of your highest five years of compensation (your AFC) is $50,000. Your calculation is 30 times 1.6%, times $50,000, or a pension of 48% of $50,000, or $24,000 per year – so you would receive $2,000 per month into your DROP account. Each year, on July 1, you will receive an annual increase by whatever your Cost of Living Adjustment (COLA) is.
Continue reading “The “New” FRS DROP”
The official Conference Committee Agreement has been posted on the Senate Web site.
The changes are substantial, but not nearly as dire as Governor Scott wanted. Employees to contribute 3%, DROP stays at 1.3%
It appears we have a Final Agreement between the House and Senate on changes to the Florida Retirement System. The changes are substantial, but not nearly as dire as Governor Scott wanted. There will be NO changes for those already retired, or those already in the DROP, your benefits remain the same. Many of the more radical changes only affect those hired after July 1, 2011. Changes for new hires only are:
For members after July 1, AFC become the highest 8 fiscal years.
Increases retirement age for all new hires after July 1:
Continue reading “Florida House and Senate Agree on FRS Reform!”
The Conference Committee members are in line to decide the fate of Pension Reform for the Florida Retirement System
It appears the Conference Committee members are in line to decide the fate of Pension Reform for the Florida Retirement System. As discussed previously, since the House and Senate could not agree on the proposals put forth, the House and Senate have appointed conferees to determine what course the legislature will take as to the reduction or elimination of your retirement benefits. It can be presumed that whatever agreement the Committee comes up with, will be presented to the Governor for his signature.
In the Senate, Senate President Mike Haridopolos named J.D. Alexander, R-Lake Wales, as the chairman of the Senate Conference with Joe Negron, R-Palm City, as vice-chairman. At large conferees will be republicans Andy Gardiner of Orlando (Majority Leader), Don Gaetz of Destin and John Thrasher of Jacksonville. Democratics named arer Nan Rich of Sunrise and Gary Siplin, D-Orlando.
In the House of Representatives, Speaker Dean Cannon tapped Representative Denise Grimsley as the House Leader of the conferees. Representing the house as republicans will be GOP Leader Carlos Lopez-Cantera of Miami, Gary Aubuchon of Cape Coral, Dorothy Hukill of Port Orange, Paige Kreegel of Punta Gorda, Speaker Pro Tempore John Legg of Port Richey, Seth McKeel of Lakeland, William Proctor of St. Augustine, Rob Schenck of Spring Hill, William Snyder of Stuart and Incoming House Speaker Will Weatherford of Wesley Chapel. On the Democratic side will be Democratic Leader Ron Saunders of Key West, Chuck Chestnut of Gainesville, Darryl Rouson of St. Petersburg and Franklin Sands of Weston.
Continue reading “FRS Conference Committee Named”
Since both Houses (the Senate and House of Representatives) sent each other their differing versions of pension reform, and refused to accept either, it will now go to a Conference Committee.
Things will start to get crazy now. The Senate has passed SB 2100, which is their version of pension reform. The House, however, presented HB 1405, with language that does not coincide with SB 2100. In order to become law, the same bill must pass both houses in identical language – which they have not. Since both Houses (the Senate and House of Representatives) sent each other their differing versions of pension reform, and refused to accept either, it appears the matter will now go to a Conference Committee, probably next week.
This is a quote from the Senate Website in regard to the Conference Committee: “For a bill to become an act it must be passed by both houses in precisely the same words and figures. The second house frequently amends and returns the bill to the house of origin. In the case of bills with substantial differences, the shortcut of a conference committee likely will be taken almost immediately.” The Conference Committee is really just a horse trading forum; where members from both houses participate in a negotiation process. According to the Senate site “Conference committees are intended to reconcile differences. This suggests a give-and-take process because if a majority of the conferees from either house refuses to budge, the conference would be stalemated and the bill could fail. However, this rarely happens”.
Ultimately, a group of legislators go into a room, and come out with an agreement. The process could be either good or bad, as the group doesn’t have to conform to the original bills, and can come up with their own version. The Speaker of the House, Dean Cannon, and President of the Senate, Mike Haradopolos, have indicated they think they will be ready to go to Conference next week.
Continue reading “Pension Reform Stalemate goes to Conference!”
SB 2100 has passed its 2nd reading and is heading to the third and final reading.
As best as we can decipher the myriad amendments, amendments to the amendments, and replacements to the amendments, SB 2100 has passed its 2nd reading and is heading to the third and final reading. The changes would seem to indicate the following:
- Employee contributions would be a graduated scale; 2% on the first $25,000, 4% for compensation between $25,000 and $50,000, and 6% for compensation over %50,000.
- AFC will include up to 300 hours of overtime, and 500 hours of accumulated leave time.
- The DROP will continue through July 1, 2016. No new enrollees after that date.
- The interest rate for DROP members entering after July 1, 2011 will be reduced to 2%, it will stay at 6.5% for those enrolling before July 1.
- Vesting for the Pension goes to 10 years for those hired after July 1. Only those hired in Special Risk may participate in the Pension Plan after July, all other new hires must participate in the Investment Plan.
- Special Risk members retain the normal retirement date of age 55 or 25 years of service.
- Accrual rates remain the same.
Continue reading “SB 2100 passes 2nd reading with amendments!”
Representative John Tobia (Republican from Melbourne) offered five new amendments to House Bill 1405. The amendments would bring HB 1405 in line with Governor Scott’s recommendations
Representative John Tobia (Republican from Melbourne) offered five new amendments to House Bill 1405. The amendments would bring HB 1405 in line with Governor Scott’s recommendations. As we read and interpret the changes, they include:
- · Reduces the service credit for future years of service in the Special Risk, Elected Officers, and Judges from 3% to 2%. Amendment 460885
- · Eliminate the Cost of Living Adjustment for Pensions and the DROP after July. Amendment 279579
- · Eliminate overtime in the calculation of the Average Final Compensation. Amendment 696491
- · Raises the Employee contribution up to 5% across the board (it had been reduced to 3% in committee). Amendment 328909
- · Reiterates the closing of the Pension Plan after July 1, and mandates all new members to the Investment Plan. Amendment 251959
Continue reading “Rep. Tobia offers severe amendments to HB 1405!”
The Senate Committee on Government Oversight and Accountability approved a version of Senator Ring’s proposed Senate Bill 1130 today by a vote of 12 to 1.
The Senate Committee on Government Oversight and Accountability approved a version of Senator Ring’s proposed Senate Bill 1130 today by a vote of 12 to 1. This was done on the heels of House Bill 1405 filed by Representative Workman from Brevard. We are not experts on the legislative process, but believe the bill will now go to the Budget Committee for their approval.
As we read the final version of SB 1130, and the myriad amendments we have pieced together we believe it proposes the following important aspects :
- The proposal eliminates the Pension Plan for all employees hired after July 1, 2011 that make more than $75,000 per year and mandates participation in the FRS Investment Plan for those employees. A last minute amendment has preserved the Pension Plan for those making less than $75,000, UNLESS you are in the Elected Officers Class, the Senior Management Class. Member those classes are required to participate in the Investment Plan is mandatory regardless of Income.
- A notable change is the proposal now allows 300 hours of overtime and up to 500 hours of accrued leave time in the computation of Average Final Compensation for service before July 1, 2011. It does away with all accumulated annual leave pay for service after that date.
- Employees will make contributions into their FRS Investment Plan. The contribution schedule is 0% on the first $40,000 of compensation, 2% on compensation from $40,000 to $75,000, and 4% on compensation over $75,000. They amended the original version to contain language that seems to limit the employee contribution to no more that 2% of total compensation for regular and special risk members, and a maximum of 4% of total compensation for those in the Elected Official and Senior Management Groups.
- There is also some new language amended to read that NO employee contributions would be required for years in which the plan is 100% funded. That amendment would raise more questions to us than it answers, but let’s hope it is as simple as it sounds.
- The vesting schedule for employee contributions is immediate, and for employer contributions vesting is on a graduated scale as follows:
Continue reading “Committee Approves SB 1130, Rep files HB 1405.”
The biggest change as we see it would indicate the amended version will allow for up to 500 hours of overtime to be used in the computation of the Average Final Compensation
Today the Florida Senate returned a “Strike-All” Amendment to Senate Bill 1130 which is meant to reform the Florida Retirement System. The purpose of the “Strike-All” was to amend the language and stipulations of the original bill, filed by Senator Jeremy Ring. There were also 5 additional amendments proposed changing other aspects of the proposal.
- The biggest change, as we read it, would indicate the amended version will allow for up to 500 hours of accumulated leave payments to be used in the computation of the Average Final Compensation. (lines 208-248, and 274-308). And further appears that for service prior to July 1, 2011 overtime is included.
This seems to be a significant compromise to the original proposal, but excludes overtime after July 1. It does not mitigate the fact that overtime is time worked for compensation earned, and therefore, as compensation, should be used for the AFC calculation. Continue reading “Amendments to SB 1130 FRS Reform”
NEVER come across as negative, conflict oriented, or otherwise play into the hands of the politicians, who want pictures of workers with pitchforks massing as the gates.
We received this letter from the following individual, and felt it was such a well rounded and wonderful perspective, that with the author’s permission, we have copied it verbatim. I urge you ALL to read it, absorb it, and take action accordingly! Thank you Paul!
Subject: Concern over Legislative Season
By way of introduction, I am a retired Martin County deputy. Politically I am libertarian…
As I read the various posts on Facebook and elsewhere by public sector employees, I am struck with a fear that the attitude being conveyed by far too many public employees is playing directly into the aims of the political structure and their media supporters. The actions in Wisconsin are especially troubling. The political power structure wants to be able to paint the public employees as merely union followers using a pink brush, recognizing that the American voter, suffering under the current economic situation, can be easily led to consider public employees as the problem.
Continue reading “A letter to FRS members from one of you!”